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Submitted by escamp on August 31, 2015 - 3:04pm. I think you had better check those scriptures again. So she succeeded after much effort in touching the hem of His garment, and as she touched the hem of His garment, there flowed into her body the quickening lifestream, and she felt in her body that she was made whole of the plague. Do you believe that this glorifies God when you treat your brothers and sisters in such a way? There is NO RECORD of what Jesus did SPECIFICALLY in those 40 days. As the Bible says, we are to not only test the spirits, but we are to examine ourselves (2 Cor. The practices of Rick Joyners school and Bill Johnsons are very similar. I stand by my statements that all the supposed healings in these videos cannot be objectively proven by the video evidence alone. Amen watchful that is exactly my hope and prayer.. . The Youth and Children of Azusa Street Tell Their Stories Retold by Brother Tommy. Regarding sending out new believers to heal people, I dont see the parallels to that in the New Testament. I think it very badly needs to be looked at. Great stuff! Barry Schmidt said: I remembered how many times in gospels it says, they came to Jesus to. Or they brought to Jesus a man who. We dont have to make it happen- God will bring people to Jesus IN US if only we will yield to Jesus and let Him use us!!! Sheriff's Office Openly Praises the Lord as Dozens of Inmates Get Baptized, Pledge Lives to Christ, Rabbi, Wife Sponsor Knesset Gathering to Focus Attention on the Widowed, Orphaned. Thank you. Repent (change the inner man to meet Gods will) and do the works you did previously [when first you knew the Lord], or else I will visit you and remove your lampstand from its place, unless you change your mind and repent. And if this same man TELEPORTED right in front of the crowd of people, or multiplied MANNA for the crowd of people.THAT YOU WOULD BELIEVE? Torben is the real deal because he seeks Christ and Christ alone. It imposes burdens on folk that they were never meant to carry, as well as false guilt that they arent doing what so-and-so is doing. And, they continued supporting him. But I dont think he forbids us either to learn and talk about what scripture teaches us, concerning not profaning the holy things (specifically miracles) and where it can lead, especially where miracles are taking place. 2 Tim 4:8 Henceforth there is laid up for me a crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous judge, shall give me at that day: and not to me only, but unto all them also that love his appearing, but unto all them also that love his appearing, Jonathan, you ask Where do you get your identity? Jonathan, as a born again believer in our risen Savour the Lord Jesus Christ I am identified with Christ and in Union with Him and I/we Christians are currently seated with Him in heavenly places (Eph). We live in a day and age of global information. And we are not of weak faith when we weep and plead with the Father on somebodys behalf or stick our neck out to warn. Why have we not seen this? The nature of deception is that those being deceived arent aware they are being deceived. Sndergaard's attorneys are filing an appeal. My only goal here is to honor and glorify our Lord Jesus, not to attack anyone. It might seem like a small thing but faith is built in little steps. If you really believe it and are willing to stake your life on it why dont you say that? 5 Remember then from what heights you have fallen. The Bible says that a quantity of sick, blind, lame and crippled came to this place, the pool of Bethesda [35][36]. to New Testament Christianity. Jonathan you said (Acts 10:38 NASB), Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and forever. John the Baptists baptism in water was a baptism of repentance, but when Jesus Came, you are to be spiritually baptised into the One and only Baptism of Jesus Christ. We are committed to delivering quality independent Christian journalism you can trust. We are living in a dark age where sin and selfishness have been taking over the church. It is not his teachings that I have flagged so much. Exd 4:3 KJV And he said, Cast it on the ground. I perceive a very tiny bit of pride, but only the amount I would expect from any believer. He never flattered people in power, such as Nicodemus and Joseph of Arimathea, enticing them to join His group and help Him If He had compromised with the Pharisees, He could probably have obtained worldly influence easily. Also available on most smart TVs and streaming services. and also WITH the author of Hebrews. Thank you Lord. Step 5. Then what am I crying for? I believe the purpose of Torbens video is to show how to make disciples, take them out on the street to pray and witness. Dont forget Old testament where the axe head raised up out of the water, and poisoned waters were made drinkable. He suggested some excercises for a posture problem. Now was I healed, by the Healer, Lord Jesus (to whom I give all credit, thanks and the glory) because of the leg pulling method, or despite it..? The Hebrews had been praying for over 400 years and received no freedom from their judgment of slaverythey were filled with UNBELIEF. The Holy Spirit will prepare that soil ACCORDING to what works with that particular person. Can worn them of sin & bondage without feeling like a hypocrite He believes that the Holy Spirit, acting through him, can heal people. Not only that but it has Torbens website all over it which is loaded with written and video material to check out. 0 20 20 comments Best Peter spoke in Acts 2:38 Then Peter said to them: Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the Name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit . Jhn 17:20 NASB I do not ask on behalf of these ALONE, BUT FOR THOSE ALSO who believe in Me through their word; WHO does the SAVING? As of 2022, Lene is currently 46 years old and was born on April 5, 1976. They will walk into a childrens hospital and clear it out, even patients who had chemo for cancer will have their hair grow back. Faith, maybe. (Bearing I mind I can only talk about it in accordance with my gift, others like scribes might be able to go into in greater depth and detail etc, but for me I have to keep it simple, and that is ok I think because different gifts have different benefits.). Where do you get your identity? When my dad died, I lost it and wept, my emotions were running wild and I was broken. So This is not a one time event this is continuous. The only authority I have is through our Lord Jesus and I rely on His word as given to us in scriptures. Rather than analyse They have mishandled the power and things of God, and trying to be as God, and now it has become as a snake in their hands, to turn and bite them, bringing death. Torben Sondergaard is a Danish pastor who is facing extraordinary persecution for exercising his Christian faith. There is no excuse for making such premature judgments and posting them in post after post in public. Redacted government documents surrounding his arrest can be viewed here at friendsoftorben.com. But many of the same practices are done at Johnsons school as well as Joyners school. He was not acting like the King of the Jews. Just like Jesus did with his own disciples. Averyl, I also missed Randall & his posts. May our Lord give us boldness to step out of our comfort zones in obedience to His Word! reacted quite badly. 1,664 talking about this. And he put his hand into his bosom: and when he took it out, behold, his hand [was] leprous as snow. God said to the Apostles, and therefore also to us today Wait upon the Holy Spirit for the power from on high (for the HS unction) and then go out. Exd 16:10 KJV And it came to pass, as Aaron spake unto the whole congregation of the children of Israel, that they looked toward the wilderness, and, behold, the GLORY of the LORD APPEARED in the cloud. All I am doing is fulfilling a biblical duty to test the spirits by asking legitimate questions; yet no one seems to want to acknowledge that and recognize it is our duty to test the spirits. Torben Sondergaard Calls the Line of Fire from PrisonDr. believe this authentic move of the Holy Spirit is only recent..? Torben does talk to people about Jesus and would appear to be genuine in his belief. A new Jesus one who never calls for self denial, who is more hyper spiritual than he is authentically human. Lol Titus 3:5 and many more Tom Lessing and Deborah Ellish both own Discerning the World. See here:Pentecostalism. Again something inside me drive me to ask if she was related to someone who had a 275 pound tumor. Many people have asked me what I know about Danish evangelist Torben Sondergaard, the founder of the Last Reformation movement, and whether he's part of the New Apostolic Reformation (NAR). Mar 9:39 KJV But Jesus said, Forbid him not: FOR THERE IS NO MAN WHICH SHALL DO A MIRACLE IN MY NAME, THAT CAN LIGHTLY SPEAK EVIL OF ME. But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ. To me when I was less aware of how He is working through my brothers and sisters was when I put Him in a box more, thinking that He used everyone pretty much the same. The flip side is we did these things in your name and Jesus replied depart from me you workers of lawlessness. Awesome testimony, Barry Schmidt. I am the way, the truth and the life; no one comes to the Father but by me. In such statements as these, Jesus made it clear that He is the sole and perfect means of salvation, and except through Him there is no salvation (compare Acts 4:12). If you really believe what you are saying about Bill Johnson to be true then why dont you say, The Holy Spirit told me that Bill Johnson doesnt belong to God, is not a child of God and is purposefully leading the people of God astray as a messenger of Satan? He was confirmed in the state church after being immersed as a child, but actually completely out of habit. If it is truly the work of the Holy Spirit, then why wouldnt those healed recognize this and repent and declare Jesus as Lord? Peculiar particles called Manna falling from the sky If I and others who believed and prayed and were filled, which christian would rebuke this? You will receive an email and you will need to confirm your subscription. Thats not me even mentioning all the weird things that happened while I was at his school for 2 months before I left. Dont put yourself in the same category of those who want to justify the legitimacy of something by the numbers of people who follow it. It would be hard for God to grow a leg out when the wooden leg is attached. Why shouldnt the Truth be out there as well? This means we ALREADY HAVE THIS REVIVAL LIGHT OF JESUS IN US SHINING! Romans 8:8 teaches us that those in the flesh cannot please God. WARNING If you choose to enter this site or watch our content and continue to support Torben Sondergaard in any way, you will be held accountable on the day of judgment for learning the truth and choosing to ignore the truth. So this relates to the videos because not always doing what The Lord says is the same as not always listening to what He says. To handle Gods holy miraculous things with hands of flesh brought forth death not life. Since the Todd Bentley debacle and other waves of Charis- This has been an old staple of magicians and phony faith healers for a very long time. acting through Torben, to see if it is from God. In 2011, he started the evangelical Christian movement known . So I am going to be featuring a lot more of Torbens stuff on here. He said the hardest part is being separated from his wife and children. The rest all succumbed in the desert because of their sins and disbelief. He also began the Jesus Center in Denmark, which trained disciples from 30 nations to spread this message around the world. : of strange or extraordinary character : ODD, FANTASTIC, Antonyms Share on facebook. Today believers are not baptised John the Baptist and there is no need to be re-baptised over and over and over again they either believe by FAITH in Jesus Christ the Son of God or they dont. However, I watched the second video first. He was making the essential distinction between those who were Gods and those who were not, not a sectarian distinction among those who were Gods. ALL of which are used in the NEGATIVE. And the Gentiles shall come to thy light, and kings to the brightness of thy rising. But I guess thats what powerless religion us all about. totally normal part of everyday Christian life. Update from Friends of Torben. So I would like to ask you about a danish evangelist Torben Sondergaard. Perhaps, those who are calling BURN THE WITCHES ought to actually STUDY the scriptures about how the BIBLE DEFINES sorcery and witchcraft..because whatever CURSE one speaks against the works of the Holy Spirit is actually turned back on the one who speaks the CURSE, AS A JUDGMENT OF GOD. Teshuva- you are absolutely right on saying this is Gods work and not mans and that man can only produce mans work but God can only do Gods works. Please check your information and try again or call us at 1-800-759-0700. everything. It is unwarranted accusation and nit-picking. He looked up at me with joy and surprise and, springing to his feet, said, Praise the Lord, John, Jesus has baptized you in the Holy Ghost!. Please check your information and try again or call us at 1-800-759-0700. Jesus had His disciples with him for a year or more, probably every day, before sending them out. And there also those who embrace every wind of doctrine, and all signs and wonders, regardless of their source. 1) to fear, revere, be afraid The Last Reformation is a global movement founded by Torben Sondergaard. The Holy Spirit does NOT base this on how HOLY a person is. I would love to talk to people who are also victims, who had a bad experience with it, or whatever. His legal team also told us that if the original charge against him was overstaying his Visa, it would be irregular for him to be arrested by FBI agents from the Joint Terrorism Task Force, and not Immigration agents. Ruining the faith of the faithful is most important to him. Moses was filled with UNBELIEF.Moses did not BELIEVE that God would do what He said He was going to do. Here is a website for more information on what I am talking about: https://www.friendsoftorben.com/ And this video while you're at it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DeJyr0DKyms Spread the word! And immediately her flow of blood stopped. I have never see one video (much less the one with Torben) providing evidence of objective healings. He thought God was going to leave him hanging out on a limb after Moses said all the things God told him to say. Paul was using both water and Spirit so many times in his epistles Marie, i agree, there are people like what you describe. in a way that made us click together like old friends right away. Ultimately each person is responsible for themselves Romans 14:4. (Acts 19:4) Then said Paul,John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.. It is starting to get gangrene where the wooden leg attaches. this man has understanding of what it is all about, going to the needy.Groups of youth go out in Redding, Ca to pray for people. I know that Im sticking my neck out with this post but I cannot remain silent on this issue . http://www.deceptioninthechurch.com/orrel46.pdf. This is Elijah against the the 450 prophets of baal. This genuine move pf God will be marked by a sincer and genuine acceptance of sinners where they are and with all their irreligious lifestyle. Sondergaard claims to be an apostle and healer of the faith. After all, Paul was not sinless like Jesus. I knew it would not be wise to thus lay my hands upon the sick woman, as I was likely to jar her. It is very glorifying to God to see His manifold wisdom displayed in manifold ways through His many people. Foras many of you ashave been baptizedintoChristhave put onChrist. I am so excited to watch this, to see how Torbin is excited ,not about himself but about what God is doing. Die letzte Reformation (berarbeitete Neuausgabe 2020) - Buch (Paperback) von Sndergaard, Torben | GloryWorld-Medien | Besuchen Sie uns online unter www.buchhaus.ch oder in einer unserer Buchhandlungen. Another thought in regard to your important statement `the simplicity of Christ,` is that it leads us to focussing on the `true,` as Andrew Strom has encouraged us to do. John spoke of this again in 1Jo 5:8 Yeshua is not returning for Christians He is only returning for His sheep who hear His voice and follow Him. Heres what the Pharisees and Scribes thought of Jesus ministry: Matthew 12:24 542. The MANIFESTATIONS of demons are NORMAL when people are praying for DELIVERANCE AND CASTING THEM OUT. No indeed Trenton, I dont think hes a charlatan either, the thought never even entered my mind. When the Lord God does a work it is holy.and we should be in awe enough to not handle it with our hands of flesh and make an idol of it, much less glory in it. 2. Torben says himself at 6:44into the Speaking in Tongues video above that speaking in tongues is an amazing gift that EVERYONE should have because if you are not baptised in the Holy Spirit well according to Torben you are not saved, and that speaking in tongues is an amazing tool God has given us to come into a strong prayer life and relationship with him. JeffM, I believe you misintrepeted my comment about obeying God. 2Corinth 13:1. Jesus is real and He wants to be your Lord and Savior. And he put his hand into his bosom again; and plucked it out of his bosom, and, behold, it was turned again as his [other] flesh. Yes, Jesus is the same yesterday, today & tomorrow. The single most encouraging thing is right at the end when the healers admit that they feel nothing, meaning they are operating strictly by faith and obedience. Please check your SPAM if you do not receive confirmation email. All the false ministers being mentioned started out in simplicity with the spiritual gifts that they had been given. The deaf were healed and the lame No believer who reads their bible would believe that person. Can we not stick to Gods word as the ultimate authority? So, this is what I told him. And, do you understand why that might be a bad thing to do? I think he purposely included those leg lengthening healings to scandalize and expose the hearts of the skeptics. Here is a link to his youtube page:https://www.youtube.com/user/DanishEvangelist. Theres talk of not judging, unless you know the person, but then no one here knows me, yet judges me. ** John 9:4 Yes, I do, but when I say I try to, that means in my mind that I realize that there will be times I will fail. It is not a judgment nor an accusation, we have seen so little of the body of Christ functioning in the many various giftings that we dont know the difference any more. Person now worships God, praises Jesus, and is Torben born again due to the fact that they can now speak in gibberish tongues. Jesus Christ, the same yesterday, today, and forever! Arrested NOT. People who obsess about theological nuances like demonic possession and baptism tend to produce the same division they are complaining about. Indeed we are one body, a living organsim, having one head (Lord Jesus), with the body having many diverse members, each with differing giftings and callings, as determined by the one Holy Spirit. God doesnt need your help in getting His truth out. Jesus also gave the great commission, in Mat 28:18-20 saying All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. Then we have the words ANXIOUS; WORRY; CONCERNED used 21 times in the NT. The Cross - Only the Death Sentence Will Avail is lacking. December 26, 2022 This is the second episode of a series around the persecution of Torben Sondergaard, a Check it out Dr. Michael Brown Interviews Torben Sondergaard January 14, 2023 An interview from prison with Torben Sondergaard and his immigration lawyer Michelle C Snchez, P.A. Just because Torben says he is doing this in the name of Jesus, doesnt mean he is actually doing it in the name of Jesus. Yeshua is not returning for Christians He is only returning for His sheep who hear His voice and follow Him. I also believe that `experiencing,` comes through being changed into His likeness, which is the most amazing work of God in our lives. Your prayers in your native language are so weak Jesus Christ does not even hear them, thats why God prefers you to speak to Him in a prayer language instead. Torben and Ronald did say that they felt nothing when they prayed for people who were healed. I can perform this trick myself. In short, he is part of NAR.Although my area of focus has been on American leaders of NAR, I do want to draw people's attention to this European teacher as someone to watch. Miracles, signs, and wonders could be anything that has already been mentioned in the scriptures.both OT and NT..or even beyond those things.because the miracles and wonders that Jesus did the 40 days AFTER His ascension HAVE NOT BEEN WRITTEN FOR US TO KNOW WHAT THEY ARE. So, you may now attack the truth once again. It high time we all return to the child like faith and trust we had before we got burned by all that sorcery. Sndergaard claims to receive visions of Heaven and Hell directly from God. Barry, my dear friend in Jesus, you have shown us exactly what our Lord wants us all to begin doing in these last days. 3.Arent all the epistles (Rom to Rev) written to baptized(fully immersed) communities who started taking up their cross to follow Jesus pattern1Ti 1:16? I loved the videos! And thank you Andrew and Torben. Jesus 1st miracle was getting a whole wedding party DRUNK.by turning water into the very best of wines. The False Unholy Spirit of Fire, Torben Sndergaard Last Reformation of Lies, Gift of Speaking in Tongues, Prophecy and Healing. Going beyond the person to see what the Lord is doing in & through them. In other words, the Innocent One died for us, the guilty. The first video is very bad. I believed that I had been healed by God. This supernatural revival among the normal ordinary folk that I prophesied about is waiting for us to cease from our religious striving, place all our hope and confidence in Jesus alone plus nothing of ourselves, surrender and yield to the Holy Spirit who will come like a pent up flood when we do. I heard it from a preacher some years ago. And I will add that God will SEND His apostles, and prophets, etc.. to the people, just as He did with John the Baptist and every other man and woman of God that He has used over the centuries. And to go forward into the `true,` is to `know Christ more,` as the Apostle Paul & Roger, here, have encouraged us to do. Squashers of joy, and those who make light when someone says theyve been healed by Gods power, would rather remind the church about the warning that many will heal in His Name and do works in His Name and expect entrance into heaven, and Jesus will say, Depart, I never knew you. Jesus died for US and it was done perfectly! Mat 21:25 The baptismG908of John,whencewas it? These are genuine brothers in Christ, myself I have no doubt of that, I love them just from the videos, and I believe they have genuine spiritual gifts. Unfortunately, all we have to test the spirits with is the video. Acts 5:38-39 and acknowledges the Catholic Church from1:42 in the video. By Michael Ashcraft -. The choice to believe that God heals today is choice made by each believer. That is what makes it an exciting journey. Those that would criticize any such testing should take a step back and realize there is nothing unbiblical about testing such spirits as long as it is done with the right intent. The fire that is called down from heaven by the beast that being the Roman Catholic church is 1) spiritual/demonic which leads to a satanic awakening and 2) the Antichrist himself will call down actual fire from heaven in the sight of men. Amen Barry, the things I have encountered and seen are incredibly weird. Certainly going to a local village for instance and seeing the Elder of a village get healed dramatically by us, is going to get the attention of the whole village on God very quickly and allow the preaching of the word to follow without effort. See this article: Ask to pray for a person, any person, hijack them in the street or a store if necessary, and lay your lands on them if possible. The gangrene is gone; you are healed. Jesus is 100% God but He also was and is and always will be a very easy and normal MAN and to live with. To show this . I think he purposely included those leg lengthening healings to scandalize and expose the hearts of the skeptics. Andrew J, at least you dont call Bill Johnson a cancer on the Body of Christ! But they sought God in prayer and fasting and rose up believing. How about an ordinary man/woman telling people that they saw and went into HEAVEN and saw all these different many headed beasts and angels and chariots of fire? Ezekiel 34: 20 Therefore thus says the Lord God to them: Behold, I Myself will judge between the fat and the lean sheep. The presence of the Holy Spirit makes demons manifest..but if the demons dont come out but rather are allowed to have a field day, then it is the presence of another spirit and not the HOLY Spirit. Andrew J I have been very specific and clear about the problems I have with Bill Johnson. He had no interest in any institutional organization with worldly offices and laws. "Today Torben (Sndergaard) is sitting in jail . I agree with Andrew that there is a difference between cynicism and discernment. Thank you Andrew for this next follow up of Torben. Bill Johnsons ministry could not save her and she died. I agree that Christ is the focus, and that He is the key actually (Key of David) and also that the Holy Spirit is our guide and teacher, amen. Let us lead people to the Lord and let them be taught to reason out with the Lord and learn from Him, as He invites them to do so in the book of Isaiah. `in His hand is a sacred censer.`, This shows the regenerative ability of the entitled Son of Man in His Creatorship & Judgeship. A bush that burns but is never consumed The pitfall that the Lord was gracious to show me is a danger that needs to be avoided, its not fear mongering or inappropriate to shine a light on the enemys snares, it is love and concern, not to mention a duty. it deeply grieves me to see people getting so cynical that they I think it is entirely possible that Holy Spirit may answer the prayers and heal the person involved as a means of authenticating the message of the Gospel. 2.Be baptized(Water grave) into the death, burial & resurrection of Christ, to enter a covenant with God, through Jesus who sanctifies us with His Righteous Blood. Acts 14:10-15 357 talking about this. All those people say they got healed and you call them liars, prove they are lying! They were all very obvious. Fire tunnels are to bring hilarious laughter and uncontrollable shacking. Torben is actually seeing it work IN PRACTICE. So, are you saying that water baptism is necessary to be saved and receive eternal life? Only God is holy and only God can and will do His holy works in and through us. Help us continue to be a voice for truth in the media by supporting CBN News for as little as $1. That may have been more of satans intent than the immediate deceptions he caused. I suggest that this same method (seek God, fast, pray for Truth) used by these preachers be used TODAY to come to the TRUTH FROM GOD HIMSELF AND TO HELP OUR UNBELIEF. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? For forgiveness of sin? (Mark 9:14, 16-18 NASB). Seymour shook his head and responded, Thats not good. Watch this video about the people of God revealing the glory of God and you too will do the works of Jesus: http://youtu.be/03hWzOCzZ9k. He claims that about 90 percent of all the people, that he or others in his team pray for, are healed. The healed man stood in total shock, then started moving his arm and feeling of it with his other hand, awed by the miracle. For more information see the About this Website page below the comments section. As I came out from under Rick Joyners Morning Star Ministries school for the prophetic, I see very many similarities from the teachings in that school to the teachings in Johnsons school. But it seems they had not spiritual fathers to teach them to temper themselves, and no watchmen to watch their backs, just accolades after accolades and pats on the back and a pedestal to stand upon, and so now we see the sad results. The elitist claims to have personal relationships with God and to regularly receive divine visions. John 3:5. This is not the shekinah glory of God in this video, saying you believe in Jesus and not knowing a demonic false sign is a result of making self your god. Finally, and most importantly, I never saw anyone who was healed, truly repent and declare Jesus as Lord. 2 Thess. I know I have never heard it talked about that I can remember and so the Lord is teaching me. However I can understand the skepticism of people not about the miracles but the structure and functioning of christianity. This is what every believer should be doing preach the gospel, heal the sick, cast out demons. He then slapped his hands on the shoulder itself and commanded the arm to grow out. I would ask any of you to go back and read your posts and if you feel convicted that you were acting in your flesh, to repent and seek Gods forgiveness for doing so. Thank you for letting the power of God be shown . This is what is fundamentally and pervasively wrong with the religious zealots of today- they are trying to usurp and replace what ONLY Jesus can do IN THEM AND THROUGH THEM. Barry I am that lady!! You need to get saved from your unbelief and your incredulity! There is no more marvelous manifestation in the life of Jesus than that manifestation of healing through the apostle Paul. c) (Piel) to make afraid, terrify 12..mainly that people try to put their brothers and sisters into a box, a box made in their own image. If we do that then His work brings death to us. 5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. Mar 9:40 KJV For he that is not against us is on our part. 2.getting water baptized(immersed) on my faith in the name of Jesus This video and your words have brought me to tears..tears of joy, excitement, and thanksgiving to Almighty God. True Faithnot Emotional Faith.but TRUE FAITH believes in the TOTAL SOVEREIGNTY OF GOD. A creator, a public speaker, a faith healer, and a Danish Christian evangelist named Torben Sondergaard has stated that God addressed him directly. To my utter astonishment she replied, The only thing I think I will venture to say categorically is that the scriptures are the living word of God, alive and active! In the Name of Jesus, I command this leg to grow out. It could be miracles, signs, and wonders. Jesus was emphasizing water and the Holy Spirit? It is the Our steps are to grow brighter and brighter. Yes, Andrew, any trickster can appear to do miracles. Nonethe less Chritian literally transliterated is Christ one or one of Christ Each and every one of us Dont get into a RUT and EXPECT the Holy Spirit to work in the same way He did the last time you noticed Him working. Unfortunately, my blog has been down for a bit, and I havent had a chance to get it back up. Everyone needs to be free to be what they were uniquely called and gifted to be. He came back to Houston a broken and disillusioned man. Why there are so many conflicting statements here on the blog & not always the truth is that people have not been taught how God desires His Word to be interpreted. In 1995, he committed his life to Christ and felt God calling him to ministry. If we dont learn from history we are bound to repeat it. And it is the church of the future. Exd 4:7 KJV And he said, Put thine hand into thy bosom again. (Hebrews 9:22). Torben Sndergaard (1976-) is a Danish Christian evangelist, self-proclaimed apostle, and faith healer, who claims to receive revelations and visions directly from God. walked right on camera. Thank you so much Andrew for sharing these videos with us. Torben believes in taking new Christians out on the street very quickly to pray for the sick and share the gospel. Thanks, Andrew keep posting the solutions. And indeed we must maintain the unity of the spirit in the bond of peace. I just watched the original video after reading and watching the second video. As for me, I will stand on Gods word and challenge anyone who would do otherwise to bring forth objective evidence that these healings are from God. 16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Stay informed with the latest from CBN News delivered to your inbox. If water was able to wash away sins, we would have had no need of Jesus becoming flesh, of his cross, and of his blood. Look at all the healings in the NT. VOILA.hundreds of people come forward in 1 hour! The Lord Himself showed His disciples, 3) to fear (i.e. Many of those he brought with him needed healing and left that evening fully restored as people in the crowd prayed and laid hands on each of them., This thought is not original with me. Remember Moses staff and miracles brother? If you do not understand something it is better to be quiet because it is possible your fighting against God. Jonathan And he saw people being healed, getting up off of sick beds in the hospital, going home well, etc. Nothing wrong with asking questions. I hate those gift inventories for this reason. Or, would he just rebuke the illness, and be on to the next person? (Luke 5: 13) I think you are right Barry. Torben is a preacher, teacher, and author who was born in 1976 in Herning, Denmark. There were plenty of opportunities for this to be mentioned in the New Testament, but we never see it happening. Jesus did a lot of disappearing acts.TELEPORTATION. Will you tithe if I pray for you and God gives you your arm back? Maybe it was the fact that the video started I was all ears! Dont let him do it to you. 1) to be struck with fear, to be seized with alarm Seymour burst out laughing. The Pioneer School (online) - Torben Sondergaard is the evangelist from Denmark whose Last Reformation movement now spans worldwide. Help us continue to be a voice for truth in the media by supporting CBN News for as little as $1. I appreciate what you are saying about being in God`s presence. Torben told CBN News the documentary ruined his reputation in Denmark. If it happened on the Day of Pentecost, who said that it would never happen again? Its not a matter of some are more humble or nicer or more genuine etc, because ALL our flesh has the same susceptibilities and needs to forget what the left hand is doing. The Key is always Humility and most importantly Giving God all the Glory. hesitate) to do something (for fear of harm) You work so hard to promote the flesh that you think you can discredit or attack anyone who says any trickster can appear to lengthen a leg a half inch. concerning the different parts of the body, in particular 1 Cor. Being FEARFUL, WORRIED, ANXIOUS, CONCERNED is the opposite of putting your FAITH (trust and confidence) in God. God in Christ is always the Origninal Prototype in healing. HOW NOT TO GAIN ENTRANCE THROUGH HEAVENS GATES? TELEPORTING WAS USED OFTEN in the NT. a brief video (above) where Torben discusses the amazing things that Shame on you skeptics! opposite ditch of Legalism and cynicism of anything supernatural. Only Joshua and Caleb and their wives and sons and daughters were ultimately allowed to enter the Promised Land. I have experience many healing on the streets and meetings out side the church because the church is afraid these healing might take. The term witchcraft is only being applied to that which is not of God, not to that which is of God. He told the story that immediately after he was born again, he read the scripture saying to lay hands on the sick and they shall recover. Brother Seymour asked the crowd, Would you like to see God have a wonderful time here tonight? I asked her if me and my apprentice could pray for her. The early church emphasised the objective teaching of the apostles over subjective feelings, and that teaching is contained in the whole of the New Testament, including pre and post Acts. Love you all in the LordLightning Storm, you sure do keep me on my toes. to become the type that accuses first and asks questions later. 17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. My main point in all this to merely to ask the hard questions. But when the Pharisees heard it, they said, This fellow doth not cast out devils, but by Beelzebub the prince of the devils. fromheaven,orofmen? A friend of mine wanted to know about Bill Johnson, because he has a friend who is caught up in the Bill Johnson ministry stuff. If we do that then we would start to veer off the road towards the ditch. Dear Barry .here is a quote from your post. [8] Lack of healing is caused by a lack of faith which is Word of Faith doctrine to the core. We are never too young or too old to learn more about Jesus and the Father. Thanks for sharing that on Revelation Chas351, that is something I need to take a look atalready saved to my computer! Could you ever imagine Jesus holding up a persons legs, showing the legs to be different sizes? When you are born again you are automaticallySPIRITUALLYbaptised by Jesus Christ onto the One and Only baptism there is, where after the Holy Spirit comes to live in you. Home. I didnt want it to be about me so I asked my young lady helper to lay hands on her and pray . Or are these myths? 15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheeps clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. But Yeshua calls His followers sheep. God is new every morning and so is His Holy Spirit leading. No, because man can not do these things, lest God be in us. Yet there is unity in this diversity, as long as we see Christ Jesus our Lord as the reason for our unity. If God is doing it, then it is sweet if man is doing it then there is bitterness. The Call of Jesus, by Torben Sondergaard, is like an easy to understand instruction manual pulled from Scripture to help us effectively live the life to which Jesus has called us. 13:5). comments that try to pick apart every aspect of them. This is the understanding that GOD gave me, it is not of myself because I didnt have a clue. I do remember Him saying something about the Pharisees who was calling Him evil for healing and casting out devils. Yes, the Todd Bentley type situation has made people skeptical in a more overt sense, however the discomfort with many issues rooted in spiritual deception in the practice and structure of christianity, already existed. b) (Niphal) 4 But I have this [one charge to make] against you: that you have left (abandoned) the love that you had at first [you have deserted Me, your first love]. We cannot just be focused on what is wrong. Torben believes in taking new Yeah, I think the bottom line is that people really need to read their bible more, and pray as you do it. I hear people say we GLORIFY You, Lord, Glory to the Lord, give GLORY to the Lord, if it GLORIFIES the Lord etc etc. At that instant, I observed my friend was motioning me to come and join him in prayer for the woman who was sick. This The Last Reformation Torben speaks about is none other than the New Apostolic Reformation (NAR) /Latter Rain Movement. My experience has shown me that a manifested miracle of God will always shake people who do not believe because it is not logical or normal and will cause brains who do not believe to go haywire for short period of time because logical dots will not connect with supernatural dots. WHO does the SANCTIFYING? We need to cry out every day to God and say Lord I want more and He loves to hear us say this. The bogus so called leg lengthening trick pulled off by the magicians is THE COPYCAT -never the other way around. And they said, To Johns baptism. This was not the example of the early church. Thats why the only way is to flee temptation, flee the limelight. But there are some who do have shortened legs and corresponding back problems. He said that it would not only be one or two places, but it would be all over the country. For we can do nothing of ourselves, only God. Perhaps you should read the whole passage up to verse 12. The Baptism of the Holy Spirit is just the beginning to the spiritual and supernatural journey -we go on to work out our salvation with fear and trembling. Jhn 17:16 NASB They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world. Even the BABES HAVE THE HOLY SPIRIT. Jesus said greater works than these shall you do! Even in our disagreements we need to be glorifying God in all that we do. Soendergaard was booked into the Orange County Jail system in or around Orlando, FL. His organization, The Last Reformation, has been described as extreme, dangerous and a cult by former followers, former board members of the organization, the press, other churches, and professionals. I believe we are moving In a Direction where everyone is going to say Truly God has visited us! I believe we will see believers so full of Gods spirit walk into a Veterans hospital and heal every amputee and solider who has lost a limb or body part. .Jesus warned His disciples against having this sectarian spirit. Lets have a look at Acts 19 shall we to see what the Bible has to say, not what Torben has to say: Acts 19:1-7 1 And it came to pass, that, while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul having passed through the upper coasts came to Ephesus: and finding certain disciples, 2 He said to them, Have you received the Holy Ghost since you believed? This was a huge pitfall I saw with the Toronto Blessing when I was there. TLR is a classic cult and Torben Sondergaard is a classic cult leader. Leaving them to hunger and thirst after more. The term Full Gospel (Pentecostalism) does not mean the full gospel of the bible, but the full gospel of all so called Christian faiths mingled into one, including Calvinism this is why its so easy for someone to fall from Pentecostalism into Calvinism (NG Kerk) and Calvinism back into Pentecostalism because the doctrine of ELECTION is present in both movements. It should not be an amazing thing to see the hand of the Lord working through one of His servants, but because the church has waxed cold we feel these are amazing works. I pray that His peace and mercy be upon you and every person that reads your material. Years ago The Lord said there would be no more one man doing all the ministry but the sheep ministering to the sheep, one on one! That is a very big issue, in my view. Judge Yon Alberdi, an appointee of Obama Attorney General Eric Holder, ruled Sndergaard did not meet the requirements for asylum. 2.Where did Jesus say that? Because he wants to give us the more. There is another guy in the pool at 2:34 min who is convulsing in the water this is Kundalini electricity. Mom Chooses Life on an Abortionist's Table, Finally Meets Her Grateful Son 2 Decades Later and the Tears Flow, 'The Chosen' Creators Announce Season 3 Finale to Premiere in Theaters Nationwide - The Reaction Is Stunning, Viral Video: Mall Security Guard Tells Man Wearing 'Jesus Saves' T-Shirt 'Take It Off Or Leave', 'All Glory to GOD!' Consider how different Torben's Jesus is from the Jesus in the Scriptures. Does that mean they REPENTED AND GOT BORN AGAIN? It confuses me right now, but hopefully it will clear up later, when I read more. Sadly, Torben chose to include the oldest parlor trick in the book, making someones supposedly shorter leg grow longer. However, when I have sinned and defiled my soul, I MUST go to Jesus and plead with Him to wash me with his blood. 23:25). Roger yes this has been going on perpetually but there are seasons in history where this ordinary supernatural normal hits the mainstream of the populace and other seasons where it wins and is obscured to small pockets. And the time has come to start in that direction. Last point, going back to the Pharisees, it seems to me that Jesus said that sins against the Son of Man would be forgiven but that blasphemy against the Holy Spirit wouldnt be. I`ve felt people try & do that to me. That is why he and I agree on so many things. It is the primary activity of the ekklesias, it is our goal as servants of our Lord Jesus Christ, it is how the world will be reached with the gospel of the Kingdom of God. Susan healing is for everywhere, not just outside the church. You see, people have been so in the habit of putting Jesus in a class by Himself that they have failed to recognize that He has made provision for the same living Spirit of God that dwelt in His own life, and of which He Himself was a living manifestation, to inhabit your being and mine, just as the Spirit inhabited the being of Jesus or Paul. At some point And God really isnt interested whether you like what He is doing or not. happening. So the Hebrews ASSUMED THEY KNEW GODS FORMULA FOR SUCCESS. `And beginning with Moses & with all the prophets, He explained to them the things concerning Himself in all the scriptures.` And when man USES these things, that is witchcraft. He was (and is) one of Todd Bentleys biggest supporters. A bad tree CAN NOT bear good fruit nor can a good tree bear bad fruit. John later said 1Jo 5:8 forward into the True thing. He gave specific examples of sharing the Gospel and how the power of God has manifested throughout his time in ministry," a spokesman for his legal team said. This has all transpired over the course of 8 weeks. After watching the second video, I can see the value of praying with people after talking to them about Jesus. `in His right hand He held the 7 sealed book.`, This shows the reconciliative advocacy of the exalted Son of Man. Jesus said many will come in His name, saying that He is Christ. For instance, if God can stretch a leg out 1/2 or so, why not find an amputee and in the name of Jesus command the limb to grow back? So I hope we will pray for these brothers that they will be able to stand and remain in simplicity when the enemy comes, that the fear of the Lord would be the beginning of wisdom in every area and situation. I left it months ago. In fact, doesnt it say that we most certainly shouldnt do that, and then call it of God? If those like Torden are burdened to go and minister to the streets to glorify the risen Lord, who would prevent it? One day, when he was 16, his mother had a stroke. Correction Wow.Amen Marie! But when the apostles Barnabas and Paul heard of it, they tore their robes and rushed out into the crowd, crying out and saying, Men, why are you doing these things? Just the same with the FRUIT OF THE SPIRIT..The fruit are the NATURE/CHARACTER OF THE HOLY SPIRIT (Gods Nature). Former followers, former board members of the organisation, the press, other churches, and professionals have described his organisation, The Last Reformation, as extreme, dangerous, and a cult. (John said no one can have anything unless God gives it to him Jn3:27), Isaiah Saldivar is doing the same thing today>, http://www.youtube.com/user/TheAwakening209. When the people of faith resort to a charletans trick of claiming to grow legs, when a persons swivel of the hip or stretching forth of their leg makes it seem as though Yeshua is in the ministry of stretching legs out an extra half inch. Sometimes God TESTS peoples faith in HIM, the LIVING Word of God. Who says that someones new birth experience has to be like a drive up fast food place? Jesus healed in the synagogue too. Barry, prior to the statement above, you mentioned how Jesus would do things in a certain way, which would bring out the skeptics. Let the cheap Jesus impersonations cease! I think a quiet and humble response like this would be most appropriate: Sir (or Maam), what happened has nothing to do with me. Thats what I said..manifesting His tangible Presence AND HIS NATURE. When they came back to the disciples, they saw a large crowd around them, and some scribes arguing with them. Afterfastingfor 40 days Torben Sndergaard also believes that God revealed a self-help book for him,[28]saying I will give you one chapter each day.[29]. I am so thankful that there are faithful saints who yield to the simplicity of the gospel and have the nerve to go out and reach people in streets. Jesus condemned the Pharisees not because they did not belong to His group, but because of their hypocrisy, untruthfulness and lack of love. mania in recent times, it is very easy to become cynical about Faith is rising in my heart that God can use any of his children to minister to the sick. This went on for quite some time, before he was exposed. Trenton its better to show a little wisdom and not say anything but spend some time in prayer and seek the mind of the Lord, then to say something you will regret later when God reveals all things. Why is there so many reference in the NT of God using blood(death) & water(life) from the OT in making a covenant with His people? I find it amazing when you ask to pray for someone, when the Holy Spirit is with you, Ive NEVER had a knock back. The Lord has put His Teachings (laws) in our hearts where we do not have to ask others but will know inherently His Will Hebrews 8:10, Jeremiah 31:33-34. The MOLECULES in Jesus body dis-assembled and went through a wall and then re-assembled. Jesus is the gifted One in us- why should we be defined by a certain gift or let our works be defined by certain gifts when we can do whatever Jesus can do and wants to do in us. Or when did he say Johns Baptism will pass away? I found Jesus as MY SAVIOR in DEC. 1959 and remember then how God moved and we seen miracles that the young today question . This sectarianism which Jesus condemned, is the spirit which dominated the Roman Church and was inherited by the Protestants. But where are these authentic Jesus miracles in WIERDSVILLE ? This is very subjective and there is absolutely no way for anyone watching the video to say with certainty if these healings are genuine or not, based on just watching the video. But God has` His keys,`for studying His Word. Oh and Moses staff turned into a snake. ( Am I EVER glad I didnt judge her for eating too much!!!!) After all, isnt the point of all this to bring people to Jesus and not focus on the healing? This is what has happened throughout history and is nothing new. Once again, you are putting water H2O on par with the blood of Jesus, and that, my friend is very, very dangerous. Knowing how His whole being, His whole nature, radiated that wondrous, blessed life of God of which He was Himself the living manifestation, she said within herself, If I can but touch His garment, I shall be healed. (See Matthew 9:21; Mark 5:28.) To make it clear, I am not trying to obey God in all things knowing that I am walking in disobedience. That is why God allows us to repent, even as believers. Its time to do an article on this guy. All of his pants were tailored to reflect that. There is even scripture that says some were casting out demons, and the disciples wanted it stopped yet Yeshua says that they who were for them were not against them and to leave them alone. Gal 3:27 It occurred to me that all that was necessary was to touch the tips of my fingers on the top of the patients head, and then the vibrations would not jar her. Just confuses people. If a man comes performing miracles and his LIFESTYLE is one of self seeking, self indulgence, immorality, greed, materialism, selfish ambition THAT MAN IS A WOLF! He prayed for every sick person in his extended family, sick people related to friends and acquaintances, etc. Marilyn. There are other keys but it is good to get used to using one for awhile first. If a person believes I do not have to always obey The Lord Jesus , in their heart they also believe I do have to listen to Jesus . When man comes in and says look what we have done and is proud of that which has been done, then pride has entered in. We are merely obeying God who commands us to test the spirits to see whether they are from God because MANY false prophets have gone out into the world (1 John 4:1). In helping to delineate the true from the false, one thing the Lord made me aware of recently is that the false relies on witchcraft (though they dont know it) whereas the true relies on the Holy Spirit. I do find it interesting how everyone attacks those trying to bring people into the knowledge of the truth. Sometimes the leg is genuinely shorter and physicaly lengthens, sometimes the back or pelvic area is being healed and the subsequent rotation causes the legs to even out. Torben Sndergaard is part of the Oneness Pentecostal sect. Amen. It would seem to me that they possess the redemption of God and now God can display His righteousness through them. In fact, they should welcome any such testing. For example of these : Jesus healing on the Sabbath, touching lepors, letting hookers wash his feet with their hair and speaking with Samaritan women ( all of hear were scandalous in His culture and no one with any cultural sensitivity would even dream of doing such things in that culture)- YET GOD SEEMED TO LOVE TO PICK A FIGHT WITH AND SCANDALIZE THE INSINCERE AND THE SKEPTIC! Error: There was an internal error submitting your form. Jhn 17:11 NASB I am no longer in the world; and yet they themselves are in the world, and I come to You. ha ha ha The old COIN TRICK! Step 3. Circumcision was not a foreshadow of water baptism. cynics, skeptics, squashers of joy, etc.). he works through us and not we ourselves. 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